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    The discussion about SLE seems to have taken over.<br>
    This was originally about zLinux.<br>
    <br>
    If it actually makes sense for zLinux for JDK 11 then I have no
    objections to<br>
    the proposed toolchain specific patch ...<br>
    <br>
    If it does not make sense for 11 then I think you should look only
    at 8u and prepare<br>
    a patch directly against that.<br>
    <br>
    Its not "critical" for 10 which is in RDP2 already and 9 is going
    EOSL in less than 3 months  ...<br>
    <br>
    -phil.<br>
    <br>
    On 1/23/18, 9:18 AM, Adam Farley8 wrote:
    <blockquote
cite="mid:OF0DAA65FF.9ACD7F82-ON0025821E.005F0AEA-8025821E.005F1357@notes.na.collabserv.com"
      type="cite"><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">>On
        01/23/2018
        05:25 PM, Adam Farley8 wrote:</span>
      <br>
      <span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">>>>
        SLE-11:*
         doesn't even have OpenJDK-8 and is also going to be out of
        support</span>
      <br>
      <span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">>>>
        next
        year  anyway.</span>
      <br>
      <span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">>> </span>
      <br>
      <span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">>> Does
        this mean the gcc version will change? If you have hard
        information on</span>
      <br>
      <span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">>>
        this,
        I'd appreciate the URL.</span>
      <br>
      <span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">></span>
      <br>
      <span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">>I'm not
        sure
        what you mean. SLE12-SP3 ships gcc-4.8.x while SLE-15 will</span>
      <br>
      <span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">>ship
        gcc-7,
        see:</span>
      <br>
      <span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">></span>
      <br>
      <span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">>> </span><a
        moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__build.opensuse.org_package_view-5Ffile_SUSE-3ASLE-2D15-3AGA_gcc_gcc.spec-3Fexpand-3D1&d=DwIC-g&c=jf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg&r=P5m8KWUXJf-CeVJc0hDGD9AQ2LkcXDC0PMV9ntVw5Ho&m=dIGHRmVpTLUCdNXpk5OeZoRTr4KMZfiyFp7leAxQ1x4&s=kvSfKGn4zfKUDx14bZlDZsWrY3uorXE_6lBuTmOMchw&e="><span
          style=" font-size:10pt;color:blue;font-family:sans-serif">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__build.opensuse.org_package_view-5Ffile_SUSE-3ASLE-2D15-3AGA_gcc_gcc.spec-3Fexpand-3D1&d=DwIC-g&c=jf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg&r=P5m8KWUXJf-CeVJc0hDGD9AQ2LkcXDC0PMV9ntVw5Ho&m=dIGHRmVpTLUCdNXpk5OeZoRTr4KMZfiyFp7leAxQ1x4&s=kvSfKGn4zfKUDx14bZlDZsWrY3uorXE_6lBuTmOMchw&e=</span></a>
      <br>
      <span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">></span>
      <br>
      <span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">>Is that
        what
        you mean when you say the gcc version is changing?</span>
      <br>
      <br>
      <span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Apologies, I
        was
        unclear. I was asking if the minimum gcc version on David's </span>
      <br>
      <span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">website was
        likely
        to change when SLE11 went out of service. From what you're</span>
      <br>
      <span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">telling me,
        the
        sles 11 bit on the site will likely be updated to sles 12,</span>
      <br>
      <span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">and the gcc
        version
        won't change (as you're saying SLE12 ships with 4.8.x).</span>
      <br>
      <br>
      <span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">></span>
      <br>
      <span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">>> If
        the
        minimum gcc version for 10 or 11 is above 4.8.5 across all
        platforms,</span>
      <br>
      <span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">>> then
        I agree, but I don't have that information, so I figured I'd ask
        to</span>
      <br>
      <span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">>>
        cover
        all of the JDK versions, to be safe.</span>
      <br>
      <span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">></span>
      <br>
      <span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">>I don't
        know
        what the minimum version is at the moment, to be honest. I
        haven't</span>
      <br>
      <span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">>tried
        building
        OpenJDK-10 or OpenJDK-11 on SLE-12:SP3 yet. I could do that</span>
      <br>
      <span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">>if that's
        important.</span>
      <br>
      <span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">></span>
      <br>
      <span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">>> Even
        if the gcc version does change, adding 4.8.5-specific code
        shouldn't</span>
      <br>
      <span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">>>
        break
        anything.</span>
      <br>
      <span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">></span>
      <br>
      <span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">>It most
        likely
        doesn't break anything. But it leaves workaround in the code</span>
      <br>
      <span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">>base
        which
        we could potentially forget to clean out later when it is no</span>
      <br>
      <span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">>longer
        needed.</span>
      <br>
      <br>
      <span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Agreed. I was
        hedging my bets on the gcc version not changing. Be good if we
        had</span>
      <br>
      <span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">some reliable
        intel on the minimum gcc version that we could use to make a</span>
      <br>
      <span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">decision.</span>
      <br>
      <br>
      <span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">>  </span>
      <br>
      <span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">>> What
        do you think?</span>
      <br>
      <span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">></span>
      <br>
      <span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">>My
        opinion
        is that the codebase for OpenJDK-11 should be kept clean because</span>
      <br>
      <span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">>we are
        working
        on getting rid of unnecessary cruft. But this decision isn't</span>
      <br>
      <span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">>up to me,
        of course. I'm just arguing that I consider the chances that
        someone</span>
      <br>
      <span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">>will try
        OpenJDK-11
        on SLE-12:SP3 or even SLE-11:SP4 very low.</span>
      <br>
      <span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">></span>
      <br>
      <span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">>Adrian</span>
      <br>
      <br>
      <span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">A reasonable
        opinion.
        I may disagree with your conclusions, but you present</span>
      <br>
      <span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">your
        arguments
        well.</span>
      <br>
      <br>
      <span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Could others
        on
        this email chain act as tie breaker on the jdk10+11 matter
        please?</span>
      <br>
      <br>
      <span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Best Regards</span>
      <br>
      <br>
      <span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Adam Farley</span>
      <br>
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