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    +1 from me.<br>
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    -phil.<br>
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    On 3/15/17, 10:47 AM, Alexander Zvegintsev wrote:
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      <p>How about that version?</p>
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          href="http://cr.openjdk.java.net/%7Eazvegint/jdk/9/8176528/04/">http://cr.openjdk.java.net/~azvegint/jdk/9/8176528/04/</a><br>
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      <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Thanks,
Alexander.</pre>
      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 15/03/2017 20:18, Philip Race
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        Even if all we can add (to what is already proposed) is<br>
        "whether an icon for a window is displayable in the task bar is<br>
        dependent on all of window type, platform, and implementation"<br>
        then I think that clearer than the current words which could be<br>
        misinterpreted as meaning something like addressing that<br>
        if you call hide() then of course it disappears ..<br>
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        -phil.<br>
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        On 3/15/17, 10:02 AM, Sergey Bylokhov wrote:
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                                <div class="">It is not necessary, if
                                  the frame has utility type.</div>
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                          So can we say this with that qualification ?<br
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                    <div class="">This is also implementation detail,
                      that such windows are not visible in taskbar. This
                      is not specified anywhere and can be changed in
                      the future.</div>
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                <span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px;
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                  0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); float:
                  none; display: inline !important;" class="">If this is
                  consistent in our current implementation on all
                  platforms then</span><br style="font-family:
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                  0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); float:
                  none; display: inline !important;" class="">there is
                  no problem making this part of the spec and changing
                  the spec in</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica;
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                  if that changes.</span><br style="font-family:
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            <div>It was not implemented on systems other than windows,
              so if we change the signature we will not be able
              implement/change this on linux/osx.</div>
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                  none; display: inline !important;" class="">We have to
                  say something. I can't agree the current words are
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            <div>What is wrong in the current wording? If the element is
              not visible in taskbar we cannot show something on top of
              it. We never specified when something is
              visible/non-visible in taskbar.</div>
            <div>We can update the words, but it will be good to use
              current methods signatures.</div>
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                                      !important;">- Dialogs are always
                                      visible if they have no owner</span><br
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                                <div class="">This is implementation
                                  details on windows. I am not sure why
                                  it was implemented this way, is it
                                  really intended behavior or not.</div>
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                          <br class="">
                          So we'd have to say its platform and
                          implementation dependent<br class="">
                          and add an implNote for audiences other than
                          JCK.<br class="">
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                    <div class="">Not sure that we can describe all the
                      cases when it works.</div>
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                    <div class="">To me the description like «Has no
                      effect if this window is not visible in the task
                      area.» is enough because it also covered the case
                      when the window is invisible.</div>
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                                      !important;">- All other cases (eg
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                                      float: none; display: inline
                                      !important;"> Or can we say for
                                      the latter, other descendants of
                                      Window (including</span><br
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                                      float: none; display: inline
                                      !important;">  Window itself) are
                                      never visible ?</span></div>
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                    <div class="">It depends from the implementation.</div>
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