Andrew John Hughes
gnu_andrew at member.fsf.org
Fri Jan 25 03:19:37 PST 2008
On 25/01/2008, John Rose <John.Rose at sun.com> wrote:
> On Jan 25, 2008, at 2:20 AM, Volker Simonis wrote:
> > I've also noticed that there are no updates in the Mercurial
> > repositories since the inital b24 upload. Is this because of the
> > distributed nature of mercurial and the fact that every team inside
> > SUN keeps their own, private repositories?
> Yes and no. There have been no integrations yet because the
> integration repos. and associated machinery are still being
> carefully tested. Some of this stuff, like commit message format
> and the mechanical checking of project design rules,
> has to be right the first time. At least, that's my understanding
> of the situation; I'm doing JVM work, not (currently incredibly
> important) software process work.
> Meanwhile, various engineers (like me) are accumulating
> changes into personal repos. I'm using mq so I have maximum
> flexibility of changeset factoring up to the moment of commit.
> You can see a couple of my changes out for review here, FWIW:
> > Is there a possibility to access such private group/team areas or can
> > we poor external developers only observe the bulk integrations into
> > the master area?
> Absolutely not... because we threw away those areas last year.
> We're not holding anything back from you that we are not
> temporarily holding back from ourselves also. We closed
> down our internal (Teamware-based) group integration
> areas in December. What you see on the web is the
> real thing, and you will see individual engineer change
> sets dribble in one by one, as each engineer commits
> to his or her group's integration area. (Mine happens to
> be "comp", since I'm in the compiler group.)
> I wish I could say exactly when that will be, but it is
> not for me to say, except that your feelings of anticipation
> are shared by every single Sun JDK and JVM engineer.
> After all, 15 years worth of hard-won, fine-tuned,
> and entrenched change management culture and
> (Teamware) tools is not something you change overnight,
> especially on a code base so large and mission critical
> as Java.
> I think a December/January transition period is
> amazing, and (despite moments of impatience)
> my hat is off to the people who are currently putting
> in the long hours painting the walls and laying
> down the carpet in the new mansion.
> Meanwhile (to continue the home building metaphor)
> we're camping out on the subfloor and eating out a lot.
> Literally, we're learning hg and mq, accumulating patches
> in various ad hoc ways, and coding as always.
> Happy camping!
> -- John
Thanks for filling us in on what's happening. I'm sure you can
appreciate that from the outside, things look even more forlorn. I'm
sure we all eagerly anticipate the floodgates opening :)
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