From openjdk at jazillian.com Tue May 27 09:41:29 2008 From: openjdk at jazillian.com (Andy Tripp) Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 12:41:29 -0400 Subject: Governance board status? In-Reply-To: <20080123052529.5437274FA@callebaut.niobe.net> References: <20080123052529.5437274FA@callebaut.niobe.net> Message-ID: <483C39B9.9030301@jazillian.com> What's going on with the OpenJDK Interum Governance Board? There hasn't been any email on this list in the last four months: http://mail.openjdk.java.net/pipermail/gb-discuss/ I had heard (http://fitzsim.org/blog/) that the OpenJDK constitution, which was supposed to be ready by JavaOne2008, has been delayed a year, and that the Interum GB now has two additional people. Are these true? If so, why no posting about it on this list? A search for "constitution" on the JavaOne2008 site returns nothing. Until the OpenJDK has a constitution, things aren't really open, and Sun continues to control everything. For example, without any rules in place on the GB, Sun has changed the makeup of the GB and could continue to do so. I thought that the initial time frame for a constitution (9 months?) was too long. Now, the deadline has passed, there seems to be zero progress on it, and a whole extra year is added to the deadline? That's an awful way to start a community. Constitutions for whole new countries have been created and ratified in less time than this. Perhaps the whole IGB thing needs to be re-evaluated, since the main purpose of it is to produce a constitution, and zero progress seems (at least from the outside looking in) to have been made after nearly a year. I know everyone's busy, but so far it seems like this whole GB, constitution, etc. is just a sham. Your friendly neighborhood thorn-in-your-side, Andy Tripp From roman at kennke.org Tue May 27 10:35:39 2008 From: roman at kennke.org (Roman Kennke) Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 19:35:39 +0200 Subject: Governance board status? In-Reply-To: <483C39B9.9030301@jazillian.com> References: <20080123052529.5437274FA@callebaut.niobe.net> <483C39B9.9030301@jazillian.com> Message-ID: <1211909739.6969.83.camel@moonlight> Hi Andy, > What's going on with the OpenJDK Interum Governance Board? > Until the OpenJDK has a constitution, things aren't really open, and > Sun continues to control everything. I don't know about the constitution. But apart from that, there has been a lot of progress on the technical side. OpenJDK now has live Mercurial repositories, a lot of new active outside developers, both companies (Red Hat, aicas) as well as individuals. There's a special TCK license for OpenJDK. Sun has become reasonable open and responsive wrt to patches and mailing list postings. I think they are doing pretty good, considering that they are all horribly busy. I've been a strong critic of the closedness of OpenJDK in the past, but I think I can honestly say that OpenJDK is on a good way, not by observing one single mailing list and detail of the progress, but by actively contributing and taking part of the whole thing. IMO the constitution is only a beaurocratic little detail and I'm sure it will be fixed, when needed. Cheers, Roman -- http://kennke.org/blog/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: openjdk-igb-2008-04-10-minutes Url: http://mail.openjdk.java.net/pipermail/gb-discuss/attachments/20080529/2b0cd0ad/attachment.ksh From Xiomara.Jayasena at Sun.COM Thu May 29 09:42:06 2008 From: Xiomara.Jayasena at Sun.COM (Xiomara.Jayasena at Sun.COM) Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 09:42:06 -0700 Subject: OpenJDK Charter amended In-Reply-To: <20080529163604.B7A325B97@eggemoggin.niobe.net> References: <20080529163604.B7A325B97@eggemoggin.niobe.net> Message-ID: <483EDCDE.10701@Sun.COM> Hi Mark, Mark Reinhold wrote: > As proposed in the recently-posted GB minutes [1] the OpenJDK Charter > was amended by Sun on 7 May 2008 so as to extend the term of the initial > Interim Governance Board by one year and to expand the GB from five to > seven Members, with four from outside Sun and three from within. > > For further commentary please see [2] and [3]. > > - Mark > > > [1] http://openjdk.java.net/groups/gb/2008-04-10.html > [2] http://blogs.sun.com/mr/openjdk_charter_amendment > Link [2] does not work for me ;-( the others do. -Xiomara > [3] http://robilad.livejournal.com/31357.html > From aph at redhat.com Thu May 29 09:46:14 2008 From: aph at redhat.com (Andrew Haley) Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 17:46:14 +0100 Subject: OpenJDK GB Minutes for 2008/04/10 posted In-Reply-To: <483EDA99.3070606@Sun.COM> References: <483EDA99.3070606@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <483EDDD6.5050806@redhat.com> Dalibor Topic wrote: > The minutes of the fifth OpenJDK GB meeting have been posted to the > gb-discuss list [1] and to the web [2]. > > Please direct comments and questions to the gb-discuss list. You'll need > to subscribe first if you haven't already; messages from non-subscribers > are discarded in order to avoid spam. 10 April ? And only now you produce the minutes? Not good at all :-( Andrew. From mr at sun.com Thu May 29 09:50:03 2008 From: mr at sun.com (Mark Reinhold) Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 09:50:03 -0700 Subject: OpenJDK Charter amended In-Reply-To: xiomara.jayasena@sun.com; Thu, 29 May 2008 09:42:06 PDT; <483EDCDE.10701@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <20080529165003.AC4325B97@eggemoggin.niobe.net> > Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 09:42:06 -0700 > From: xiomara.jayasena at sun.com > Mark Reinhold wrote: >> As proposed in the recently-posted GB minutes [1] the OpenJDK Charter >> was amended by Sun on 7 May 2008 so as to extend the term of the initial >> Interim Governance Board by one year and to expand the GB from five to >> seven Members, with four from outside Sun and three from within. >> >> For further commentary please see [2] and [3]. >> >> - Mark >> >> >> [1] http://openjdk.java.net/groups/gb/2008-04-10.html >> [2] http://blogs.sun.com/mr/openjdk_charter_amendment > > Link [2] does not work for me ;-( the others do. Sigh. What I meant was: http://blogs.sun.com/mr/entry/openjdk_charter_amendment Thanks for pointing this out. - Mark From Dalibor.Topic at Sun.COM Thu May 29 10:04:33 2008 From: Dalibor.Topic at Sun.COM (Dalibor Topic) Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 19:04:33 +0200 Subject: OpenJDK GB Minutes for 2008/04/10 posted In-Reply-To: <483EDDD6.5050806@redhat.com> References: <483EDA99.3070606@Sun.COM> <483EDDD6.5050806@redhat.com> Message-ID: <483EE221.4070609@Sun.COM> Andrew Haley wrote: > Dalibor Topic wrote: > >> The minutes of the fifth OpenJDK GB meeting have been posted to the >> gb-discuss list [1] and to the web [2]. >> >> Please direct comments and questions to the gb-discuss list. You'll need >> to subscribe first if you haven't already; messages from non-subscribers >> are discarded in order to avoid spam. >> > > 10 April ? And only now you produce the minutes? Not good at all :-( > Indeed. My bad, really. I had the minutes ready for a while, but couldn't sync up with Mark on the publication during JavaOne, as I had been drinking from the firehose there in my first couple of weeks. After JavaOne, there was the regular post JavaOne lull, people taking vacations, systems being maintained, travel to UDS on my side, that we finally synced up today, to make sure that when I publish the minutes, they also show up on the web site. Yeah, J1 produces a massive amount of time wave shifts inside Sun. I don't like it either, and I doubt anyone on Sun's side does. Having been on the other side for a couple of weeks, I can understand that people like to take a week or two off afterwards, though, as putting on the show, while at the same time keeping everything else running is a huge pile of work. cheers, dalibor topic -- ******************************************************************* Dalibor Topic Java F/OSS Ambassador http://openjdk.java.net Sun Microsystems GmbH mailto:Dalibor.Topic at sun.com Nagelsweg 55 D-20097 Hamburg Sitz der Gesellschaft: Sonnenallee 1, D-85551 Kirchheim-Heimstetten Amtsgericht M?nchen: HRB 161028 Gesch?ftsf?hrer: Thomas Schr?der, Wolfgang Engels, Dr. Roland B?mer Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrates: Martin H?ring From robilad at kaffe.org Fri May 30 03:33:10 2008 From: robilad at kaffe.org (dalibor topic) Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 12:33:10 +0200 Subject: Governance board status? In-Reply-To: <1211909739.6969.83.camel@moonlight> References: <20080123052529.5437274FA@callebaut.niobe.net> <483C39B9.9030301@jazillian.com> <1211909739.6969.83.camel@moonlight> Message-ID: <483FD7E6.7070207@kaffe.org> Roman Kennke wrote: > Hi Andy, > > >> What's going on with the OpenJDK Interum Governance Board? >> > > >> Until the OpenJDK has a constitution, things aren't really open, and >> Sun continues to control everything. >> > > > > I don't know about the constitution. But apart from that, there has been > a lot of progress on the technical side. OpenJDK now has live Mercurial > repositories, a lot of new active outside developers, both companies > (Red Hat, aicas) as well as individuals. There's a special TCK license > for OpenJDK. Sun has become reasonable open and responsive wrt to > patches and mailing list postings. I think they are doing pretty good, > considering that they are all horribly busy. I've been a strong critic > of the closedness of OpenJDK in the past, but I think I can honestly say > that OpenJDK is on a good way, not by observing one single mailing list > and detail of the progress, but by actively contributing and taking part > of the whole thing. IMO the constitution is only a beaurocratic little > detail and I'm sure it will be fixed, when needed. > Thanks, Roman, that's spot on. I posted a longer set on my thoughts about the Interim GB 2.0 on my blog on http://robilad.livejournal.com/31357.html why the focus of the project shifted over the past year to providing code and infra first, and constitutions later (i.e. later this year, not later forever). cheers, dalibor topic