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nce/">http://webmink.com/2011/02/04/rating-openjdk-governance/</a>&nbsp;and will be pleased to discuss them either on-list or at FOSDEM this weekend. Let me know any other way I can help.</span></span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Courier New"'>S.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></body></html>