Java 7 for Mac OSX

Richard Bair richard.bair at
Tue Feb 21 20:51:00 PST 2012

Great feedback of use cases. Thanks!

On Feb 21, 2012, at 7:37 PM, Gregg Wonderly <gregg at> wrote:

> On 2/21/2012 6:24 PM, Richard Bair wrote:
>> And no, the security thing you brought up is a red herring. (a) we cannot promise this today either and (b) native apps can do anything anyway because there is no security manager installed. Literally, you get better user experience and better control. I don't see how this can be a bad thing. 
> Some of my desktop apps I do deploy on windows with an installer that just runs a .bat to start them.  I do ship a JRE with those, and all of those are Jini based applications that do run with a security manager, because they are downloading code off of my customers servers, and I need to limit which servers they download code from, to control the number of deployed servers, as well as for security reasons.
> So, please don't believe, for a minute that people don't use the security manager outside of applets.  The security manager is a very integral part of all of my Jini based applications.
> I would appreciate being able to build a complete "installer" that works.  I just think that believing that a standalone .jar is not viable, is a bit short sighted.  Is it perfect, no.  But, I've found it to make software development to be much easier with java, because I can literally email an update to users of my jar based applications and they can have both versions around if needed with a small amount of space required.
> For me, the .app model on the mac is how I've always considered the .jar for java.  I think .jar should really be just like .app, and in some cases, I've packaged up some pretty complicated applications as standalone jars, complete with JNI libraries, security managers, configurable policy, and lots of other bits.  I want people to be able to take that .jar with them to another machine and not have to have a installer that just spreads files around on their machine without providing any real functionality in doing that.
> Gregg Wonderly

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