Survey: JavaFX on tablets and mobile devices
tomas.brandalik at oracle.com
Fri Dec 7 06:49:11 PST 2012
I can speak about Android only since I had been working on Android
prototype for some time. iOS is surely another story.
Android platform has become fragmented almost like good old j2me.
Everyone is aware that development and testing would require significant
resources. I think Richard is right that finishing opensourcing (glass
and prism) is crucial and will help greatly in creating new ports. It
will make Android port ideal for community to step in and start to
participate in javafx development and testing too. Ideal because it
already has some building blocks ready, at least a toolchain and a jvm
with jit (dalvik).
What concerns me is how easy/difficult can community developer start
such complex thing like a new jfx port. Submitting a patch or even a new
control seems to be a much simpler task in terms of existing
infrastructure. There is a review process, hudson builds, functional and
performance testing for supported platforms which simply processes stuff
incoming from community. This is something that should Oracle help with
and it should be clarified.
On 12/07/2012 11:09 AM, John C. Turnbull wrote:
> Yes, it is patently clear that the people who actually do the development
> work for JavaFX are well aware of the need for it to run on mobiles and
> tablets for the technology to be a success. All of the people you mentioned
> are very passionate about what they do and that is very pleasing to see.
> We are definitely all on the same side! I guess I am just surprised that
> the people who make the funding decisions can't see what's going on and need
> surveys to form their opinion.
> But as you say, if that's all it's going to take then I'll do the survey 100
> times. Probably like many other people, I am willing to do whatever it
> From: johanlodgon at gmail.com [mailto:johanlodgon at gmail.com] On Behalf Of
> Johan Vos
> Sent: Friday, 7 December 2012 19:32
> To: John C. Turnbull
> Cc: jonathan.giles at oracle.com; openjfx-dev at openjdk.java.net
> Subject: Re: Survey: JavaFX on tablets and mobile devices
> I think Jonathan, Richard, Jasper and most/all Oracle developers on this
> mailinglist agree that JavaFX support for mobile/tablets is crucial.
> However, some people that make strategic decisions inside Oracle are
> probably not on this list and they don't hear our concerns.
> Our developer-concerns need to be turned into something that shows them
> there is added value in the market, business goals, increased adoption,
> Strategic decisions will not (only) be based on what we discuss on this
> mailinglist, but rather on some concrete requests/use-cases Jonathan and
> others can show.
> So if filling in a form (with information I already provided a number of
> times, I agree that is boring) is what it takes to get official support for
> JavaFX on mobile/tablet, I'm more than happy to spend 10 minutes on it.
> We're all on the same side here, I believe.
> - Johan
> 2012/12/7 John C. Turnbull <ozemale at ozemail.com.au>
> For me and for countless others getting JavaFX support for mobiles and
> tablets is way ahead of any other issue facing this technology. What's the
> point of investing all this time and effort into something that only runs on
> a platform which is in steep decline (i.e. the desktop)? I know I am
> stating the obvious but JavaFX will fizzle out into a niche product if it
> doesn't support these modern platforms (and *soon*).
> OK, so it seems you already get this but yes, I do wonder why we need to
> "tell you" again in this form :-)
> Whatever the reason, could you or someone else from Oracle please clearly
> outline exactly what it is going to take to get JavaFX onto these mobile and
> 1. How much will Oracle do?
> 2. How much is dependent on the community?
> 3. Who is going to coordinate the whole process?
> 4. When will it commence?
> 5. When will we be able to sell our iOS apps written in JavaFX?
> 6. Are there any issues (technical, political etc.) that are currently
> 7. Will iOS/Android/WP8 apps be indistinguishable from native apps (i.e.
> look and feel, performance)?
> 8. Has Oracle management committed to providing the funds to see this
> project through to the end?
> I am sure I am not the only one who would love to see definitive answers to
> these questions!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: openjfx-dev-bounces at openjdk.java.net
> [mailto:openjfx-dev-bounces at openjdk.java.net] On Behalf Of Jonathan Giles
> Sent: Friday, 7 December 2012 18:13
> To: openjfx-dev at openjdk.java.net
> Subject: Survey: JavaFX on tablets and mobile devices
> Hi all,
> If you're the least bit interested in JavaFX on mobile devices (and it seems
> a few of you are), I'd really appreciate you making your voice heard over at
> FX Experience:
> I know that the cynical among you will question why this is necessary, that
> your voices should have already been heard, and that it is 'too little, too
> late'. Please indulge me this one last time - I'd really appreciate it - and
> I promise that your feedback will be heard by all the right people.
> -- Jonathan
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