How does JFX work get prioritised?
zonski at gmail.com
Mon Oct 29 17:38:04 PDT 2012
Good to know, but I was just using this issue to frame the question: what's
the process you use to determine what's in or out? When you "reconsider"
this, who will be doing the reconsidering, and what will be the determining
factor of whether it is in or out?
e.g. is each developer or sub-team free to pick their priorities or do they
come from a marketing team or a high-level management crew? Maybe there's
a committee that meets once a week, month, whatever? What input do the
decision makers look at when deciding, are they using solid metrics from
market research, surveys, community feedback, etc, or is it more of a
You mention "lobbying". What form of lobbying? What priority do JIRA votes
get (traditionally none) vs "private emails", OTN forum posts, or feet
stamping and generally being annoying on this mailing list (that hasn't
worked for me though ;) ). Does lobbying from certain users (e.g. oracle
customers) or types of users (e.g. established corporates vs "I'm a
developer") get more weight than others - if so what's the weighting (how
many noisy plebs does it take to balance out large corporate)?
Any chance we could get some insight on any of that?
On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 11:08 AM, Kevin Rushforth <
kevin.rushforth at oracle.com> wrote:
> I'll take the heat for this one. I just bulk removed the "Lombard" release
> for all Feature JIRAs (as opposed to Tweaks) that are not part of the list
> of accepted features for the release, without too much thought behind it.
> One reason for doing this is to not leave the false impression that they
> are being actively worked on, so that people can either set their
> expectations appropriately or lobby for it being included.
> Based on your e-mail, the number of votes on this issue, and a couple
> private e-mails I received, it seems like this is something we should
> explicitly reconsider.
> -- Kevin
> Daniel Zwolenski wrote:
>> Is it possible for someone from the Oracle JFX team to outline how
>> get prioritised for inclusion in a release?
>> I've been frustrated at times with things I think I are important not
>> getting done, and I think a few others have had similar
>> experiences. Obviously all of us think our bug/feature is the most
>> important thing, and not everything can get done and there has to be
>> priorities. I think it would be less frustrating though if we actually
>> the process that was used to prioritise issues - who decides, and what
>> metrics are used as input?
>> I noted today for example, that
>> which is simply to allow maximising the stage programmatically, just got
>> bumped so its not part of Java8 and is not part of any foreseeable
>> release. I personally don't care about this feature so much, but it does
>> look like a pretty fundamental, basic thing for a windowing toolkit to
>> have, so highlights the general point:
>> - It was raised as a "critical feature" by Jasper Potts, so it doesn't
>> seem a case of not being recognised as important within Oracle.
>> - It was raised back in 2010 so it doesn't seem a case of it coming in
>> too late and just not making the cut for the release.
>> - Based on comments from Anthony Petrov it seems to be already mostly
>> implemented and just needs to be hooked in, so I'm assuming it's not
>> a big resourcing issue.
>> - It's got 28 votes from the community, placing it at #8 in the most
>> voted list by my reckoning, so there's no lack of community interest
>> in the
>> issue (3D geometry support has 12 votes for example).
>> >From my vantage point, it's difficult to see why a feature like this
>> wouldn't have been done months ago, let alone be off the road map
>> completely, especially when you consider some of the more obscure features
>> on the roadmap. Confusion over something like this, for me at least,
>> festers into a general distrust in the process, which results in
>> frustration around other issues I do consider important (like
>> Can this confusion be lessened through some better communication? Is it
>> possible to explain how, in this case and in general, you guys prioritise
>> JavaFX work?
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