Java Deployment (was Re: JavaFX 8 Progress)

Mario Torre neugens.limasoftware at
Thu Jul 18 15:10:02 PDT 2013

For Swing you can actually use CacioWeb, works quite well. Zero deployment,
no VM needed, no plugin, just an HTML 5 capable browser.

Doesn't work with JavaFX unfortunately.


Il giorno 19/lug/2013 00:03, "Daniel Zwolenski" <zonski at> ha
> There are definitely credible alternatives. The problem is currently the
alternatives are not implemented well enough so web still ends up a
contender just by being the only one able to stand up.
> And for the record I build both public facing apps and back-office apps
and web deploy does not work well for either. I stopped using jfx because
of deployment. I now build only webapps because of deployment.
> Credible alternatives:
> 1. Native bundlers, but we need:
> - auto updating so people can easily release patch updates
> - smaller co-bundled jre's so that the initial download and install is
smooth and quick
> - better build tools to make this easier to integrate into a standard
build process, with some solution for cross-platform build support or to at
least minimize the pain
> 2. App stores:
> - ready to go right now for Mac but we don't have the tools and I think
we need everything fully open sourced for licensing reasons (hard to say)
> - need to either pick one of the unofficial win app stores for pre-win8
support (there's a few), or build our own app store
> - we just need tools for building and deploying to app stores (not that
hard) and cut down jre sizes again (app stores are an extension of
cobundling approach).
> 3. Self-hosted 'app store' for corporate settings. install a small,
native client on the machine that allows that user to download and install
apps from your private server, with auto-updating, etc
> - we need to build one, not that hard, maybe a month or two of work to
get a first working version out. I would have built one by now but because
jfx packaging tools are so bad I've burnt up all my spare time just putting
wrappers around these to get the most basic of maven plugins to work.
> All of the above could have been implemented by now if there was just a
little bit of love in this area. One resource ticking away would have been
enough to get something going. As it stands there has been zero, nada, zip
changes into anything other than web/security deployment efforts over the
last year. J8 due next year (!) will not include any of the above, or even
any simple improvements to deployment approaches other than web, to the
best of my knowledge.
> On 19/07/2013, at 7:30 AM, Mark Fortner <phidias51 at> wrote:
> > I've heard the "webstart is broke, don't fix it, move on" song before
from a number of people.  What I haven't heard is a credible solution to
solving the very real problem of keeping an app up-to-date in a corporate
setting.  For the most part, I agree that if you're in the business of
selling commercial software, selling and distributing through an app store
probably makes sense for you. Although I wouldn't relish having to build on
all of those platforms.
> >
> > However, posting proprietary apps to external OS-specific app stores
doesn't really work for anyone in a corporate setting.  Neither does making
a user re-install an application every time you post a bug fix.  In
addition, many corporations limit the privileges they give users.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >

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