JavaFX Update Question

Mark Fortner phidias51 at
Sat Mar 16 10:44:57 PDT 2013

Hi Konrad,
Actually, I've only been talking about the availability of high priority
bug fixes in Java 7 patch releases.  Lack of 3D support is not really a
show-stopper for most corporations.  Getting deployment issues, table, and
charting issues fixed would tend to take higher precedence. I think Zonski
and others have covered most of the deployment-related issues, and there
have been a number of issues filed to improve things.

If Java 8 is due in September, it won't hit most corporate desktops until
Q1 of 2014. If we have fixes for JNLP, applets, and other deployment issues
and security issues, and are wowed enough in September, then there might be
some reason for companies to continue to install Java on the desktop
(either to prompt the upgrade to 8, or to at least upgrade to the latest
version of 7).

There's been plenty of bad press lately, which have prompted some companies
to either remove Java from the desktop, or lock it down at the firewall.
Admittedly, I'd like to see that situation change, and I'm looking for
useful counter-arguments.



On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 9:58 AM, Konrad Zuse <thekonradzuse at>wrote:

> You are mentioning a few things at once.
> Some people don't upgrade their Java because they don't need to.  Why
> should I update to Javas 7, if Java 6 suffices all of my needs?  why pay
> some coder to re-code everything when we don't need to?  Also there are
> companies that probably still run Java 1.2, from 15 years ago :p.  Most
> companies don't use the latest and greatest.  Adaption time is when you
> want to adapt.  If your company needs 3D support via JavaFX it will be
> ready for the release, or even build using the beta-builds currently
> available.
> You keep saying "JavaFX fixes" what "fix" are you looking for?  The
> changes in JavaFX are the language itself, 3D support, and all of the
> additions we'vebeen waiting for. They aren't going to throw that into 7,
> because there is no point to.
> ------------------------------
> Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 09:52:07 -0700
> Subject: Re: JavaFX Update Question
> From: phidias51 at
> To: thekonradzuse at
> CC: openjfx-dev at
> Unfortunately, most organizations of any size don't adopt a technology as
> soon as it's released.  Witness the fact that the switch from 1.4 to 5 or 6
> took more than 4 years to accomplish and there are still organizations out
> there running 1.4.  The typical lag between a release and adoption is a
> minimum of 6 months.  The only exception is for security-related patches.
>  Which brings me back to my original question, if JavaFX fixes are deployed
> along with the security patches, then we'll start to see the benefits
> sooner rather than later.
> Cheers,
> Mark
> On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 9:32 AM, Konrad Zuse <thekonradzuse at>wrote:
> As others have said no changes are being made to 7, what's the point since
> we are all prepping for 8's release at the end of the year.  Make sure to
> be updated with the beta builds as new builds come out every 1-2 weeks I
> believe.  If you find any bugs, or have suggestions/tweaks hit up JIRA for
> JavaFX

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