OT: Netbeans ported to JFX?
tobi at ultramixer.com
Fri Jul 11 08:56:08 UTC 2014
I absolutly agree. I don’t love Objective-C and Cocoa-APIs. But I have the feeling that „it must be a great technology/API“ if there are so many good applications like Apple Pages, iTunes, …. which all are using Cocoa.
That’s missing with JavaFX. The last years it was funny to see cool demos. But now it’s time to mature! We need real JFX software and mobile apps.
But that’s we have discussed over and over again like the mobile thing. But Oracle has other plans. JFX seams to be a technology for only specific markets like IOT and embedded software like in printers, TV, etc.
> Am 11.07.2014 um 10:38 schrieb Robert Krüger <krueger at lesspain.de>:
> On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 4:53 PM, David Hill <David.Hill at oracle.com> wrote:
>> On 7/10/14, 10:40 AM, Jeff Martin wrote:
>>> That's not what Bill Gates or Steve Jobs said.
>> To be fair - both of those guys are trying to build an ecosystem - not just
>> an OS, but an OS and tools and products layered on top of it. They want to
>> create an environment that you want to come to and spend $$$.
>> Oracle's bottom line is about Big Data and the appware in the middle of it.
>> That middle ware uses several technologies for graphical display and JavaFX
>> is just one of them. Unless you are a middle ware customer, you probably
>> have not seen any of them, because unlike MS Word, or Apple ITunes, they are
>> not usually seen by the general public.
>> It certainly would be nice to have more JavaFX applications (real apps or
>> even good demos) as it would help showcase the capabilities. Jasper has
>> whipped together some interesting demo apps over the years for JavaOne
>> Any suggestions on good demo apps for small boards (Pi, i.MX6) ? (Existing
>> or otherwise).
> No offence but it is exactly those apps that I am not talking about
> because while they may help to demonstrate how to do things to a
> beginner, they do not contribute to the platform becoming mature and I
> have yet to see one that really impresses me when compared to examples
> of uses of other state-of-the-art software. Having the next 2-1/2D
> Raspberry mini game certainly won't convince many people, who make the
> decision which technology their company will embrace for their next
> product, that JFX is a stat-of-the-art platform just as Jasper's 3D
> examples won't. Honestly, I _want_ to move to JavaFX and I am trying
> to convince my business partners to consider that and I asked them to
> look at what's available on the web and most of what you find is those
> demos. The reaction was really something like "technology looks OK but
> they cannot be serious about making the case with those demos when
> developers are used to the respective resources by Apple (iOS, OSX) or
> Google (Android)" and quality problems worrying them, which currently
> is my main concern as well (stuff like RT-37533, RT-37501, RT-37372,
> which I ran into not while porting a complex application to JavaFX but
> in just three days of building mini sample applications that use UI
> features that we currently use in our Swing app).
> My point is that acceptance of JavaFX by more companies making quality
> products they make a living on, is vital for JFX, if it is not
> supposed to remain a niche or academic technology which it currently
> most likely is (while it absolutely has the potential for more).
> Netbeans being a huge product and Swing being a legacy technology not
> being an option for another 10 years I just thought, I'd ask if that
> one in-house product would become a flagship real-world "demo".
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