From Ulf.Zibis at gmx.de Fri May 1 03:24:49 2009 From: Ulf.Zibis at gmx.de (Ulf Zibis) Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 12:24:49 +0200 Subject: who should use bugzilla ? In-Reply-To: <49FA5337.9000502@sun.com> References: <20090305044252.60BCAD06B@callebaut.niobe.net> <49AFB830.4040601@gmx.de> <49FA5337.9000502@sun.com> Message-ID: <49FACDF1.9050006@gmx.de> I'm talking about bugs.sun.com, as I remember right, it was even officially named "bug parade" in former times. I often got messages like this: We have determined that this report is a new bug and entered the bug into our internal bug tracking system under Bug Id: 4894530. You can monitor this bug and look for related issues on The Java Developer Connection Bug Parade at: http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/bugParade/bugs/4894530.html -Ulf Am 01.05.2009 03:41, Brad Wetmore schrieb: > For the "bug parade", were you talking about the bugs.sun.com "bug > parade" or the openjdk.java.net Bugzilla instance? > > Brad > > > Ulf Zibis wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I also think, that existing tools for externals are very poor, >> compared e.g. with NetBeans project. >> >> Especially on the bug parade I'm missing: >> - sophisticated search tools >> - saving search profiles >> - reopening bugs from external >> - attaching resources >> - customising the watch list, e.g. displaying the summary in the list >> (today only id's are displayed, and you have to open all links, to >> see what's inside) >> >> -Ulf >> >> >> Am 05.03.2009 05:42, Mark Reinhold schrieb: >>>> Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 13:43:15 -0800 >>>> From: phil.race at sun.com >>>> >>> >>> >>>> As you can see from the email below, there's something of >>>> an apparent hole in the description of who should use bugzilla. >>>> >>>> Can we clarify what's supposed to be the process >>>> >>>> Specifically if you are external to Sun. but have an openjdk user id >>>> either because you are a member of an openjdk group (eg 2d, awt), OR >>>> because you have an openjdk project, then should you in fact use >>>> bugzilla, since you can't use the Sun internal bugster tool ? >>>> >>> >>> In the long run, people such as Roman who have push rights into the >>> JDK 6 >>> and 7 forests -- and in his case have in fact already pushed changes to >>> at least one of those forests, after appropriate review -- should not >>> need to use a special process set up primarily for people who >>> haven't yet >>> earned such rights. >>> >>> Having said that, Roman is completely right to point out that he can't >>> make effective use of bugs.sun.com on his own. There are, moreover, >>> other internal tools, e.g., the code-review robot, that aren't (yet) >>> available to external developers. >>> >>> Until such time as more of our internal tools are externalized, and we >>> use our Bugzilla for all bugs rather than just for contributions from >>> non-Sun developers, I see no harm in using Bugzilla to track changes >>> being proposed by such developers even if they do have push rights into >>> the appropriate forests. >>> >>> If there's general agreement on this then I'll arrange for the warning >>> header on bugs.openjdk.java.net to be modified accordingly. >>> >>> - Mark >>> >>> >>> >> > > From Bradford.Wetmore at Sun.COM Fri May 1 11:22:07 2009 From: Bradford.Wetmore at Sun.COM (Brad Wetmore) Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 11:22:07 -0700 Subject: who should use bugzilla ? In-Reply-To: <49FACDF1.9050006@gmx.de> References: <20090305044252.60BCAD06B@callebaut.niobe.net> <49AFB830.4040601@gmx.de> <49FA5337.9000502@sun.com> <49FACDF1.9050006@gmx.de> Message-ID: <49FB3DCF.3030002@sun.com> > it was even > officially named "bug parade" in former times. I was just checking to make sure it wasn't getting confused with Bugzilla. I am working on the Bugzilla piece, but have no control over bugs.sun.com. >>> Especially on the bug parade I'm missing: >>> - sophisticated search tools >>> - saving search profiles >>> - reopening bugs from external >>> - attaching resources >>> - customising the watch list, e.g. displaying the summary in the list >>> (today only id's are displayed, and you have to open all links, to >>> see what's inside) I agree with you! Brad Ulf Zibis wrote: > I'm talking about bugs.sun.com, as I remember right, it was even > officially named "bug parade" in former times. I often got messages like > this: > > We have determined that this report is a new bug and entered the bug > into our > internal bug tracking system under Bug Id: 4894530. > > You can monitor this bug and look for related issues on The Java Developer > Connection Bug Parade at: > http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/bugParade/bugs/4894530.html > > > -Ulf > > > Am 01.05.2009 03:41, Brad Wetmore schrieb: >> For the "bug parade", were you talking about the bugs.sun.com "bug >> parade" or the openjdk.java.net Bugzilla instance? >> >> Brad >> >> >> Ulf Zibis wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I also think, that existing tools for externals are very poor, >>> compared e.g. with NetBeans project. >>> >>> Especially on the bug parade I'm missing: >>> - sophisticated search tools >>> - saving search profiles >>> - reopening bugs from external >>> - attaching resources >>> - customising the watch list, e.g. displaying the summary in the list >>> (today only id's are displayed, and you have to open all links, to >>> see what's inside) >>> >>> -Ulf >>> >>> >>> Am 05.03.2009 05:42, Mark Reinhold schrieb: >>>>> Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 13:43:15 -0800 >>>>> From: phil.race at sun.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> As you can see from the email below, there's something of >>>>> an apparent hole in the description of who should use bugzilla. >>>>> >>>>> Can we clarify what's supposed to be the process >>>>> >>>>> Specifically if you are external to Sun. but have an openjdk user id >>>>> either because you are a member of an openjdk group (eg 2d, awt), OR >>>>> because you have an openjdk project, then should you in fact use >>>>> bugzilla, since you can't use the Sun internal bugster tool ? >>>>> >>>> >>>> In the long run, people such as Roman who have push rights into the >>>> JDK 6 >>>> and 7 forests -- and in his case have in fact already pushed changes to >>>> at least one of those forests, after appropriate review -- should not >>>> need to use a special process set up primarily for people who >>>> haven't yet >>>> earned such rights. >>>> >>>> Having said that, Roman is completely right to point out that he can't >>>> make effective use of bugs.sun.com on his own. There are, moreover, >>>> other internal tools, e.g., the code-review robot, that aren't (yet) >>>> available to external developers. >>>> >>>> Until such time as more of our internal tools are externalized, and we >>>> use our Bugzilla for all bugs rather than just for contributions from >>>> non-Sun developers, I see no harm in using Bugzilla to track changes >>>> being proposed by such developers even if they do have push rights into >>>> the appropriate forests. >>>> >>>> If there's general agreement on this then I'll arrange for the warning >>>> header on bugs.openjdk.java.net to be modified accordingly. >>>> >>>> - Mark >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >