OpenJDK 8 adoption in Fedora and Debian Linux distributions
dalibor.topic at oracle.com
Thu May 8 11:23:05 UTC 2014
I think that CI servers cover a slightly different use case - a binary
indicator whether everything is fine, or if something somewhere somehow
might be wrong. As long as everything is fine, everything is awesome and
life is good.
But if something isn't fine, then someone needs to determine if that is
an issue with the code in the project, the code in the JDK, the
environment, the CI setup, etc. Depending on the size and scope of the
project being tested, that can be a non-trivial effort for a person who
is not an expert in the tested project.
So what we have done instead was to involve FOSS projects directly, and
started to motivate a habit of early access build testing by making it
easy to get notified that a new build is there, and having a person
assist with getting across the initial hurdles of getting good feedback
to the right place.
That eliminates a few potential sources of volatility and errors
(environment, setup, 'you're building it wrong', 'we never tested that
configuration', 'we only care about this particular release series', 'we
want to build on this but run on that rather than the other way round',
etc.) and allows experts in the tested projects to make the initial
determination whether a potential issue is something that could and
should be addressed in the corresponding project, or if it's something
that might be a bug in the JDK.
Sometimes it turns out that it's not a bug in the JDK, either, but, for
example, a misunderstanding of how to cross compile code for older
platform versions.  Sometimes it's something else, and sometimes it's
a real, high priority issue in the JDK itself.
I think that this approach delivers better results (i.e. high priority
bug reports) faster than potentially relying on third party (i.e.
neither OpenJDK nor tested project's developers) contributors to set up
CI instances of FOSS projects and to monitor and analyze them.
That being said, such systems can be a good source of candidates to add
to the pool of projects to find developers to reach out to, in the same
way how we can use the build results (and interesting failures) from
Linux distributions OpenJDK 8 adoption efforts to find projects, where
the effort necessary to start testing early access builds would result
in a rewarding experience, motivating further continuous testing down
So if you want to analyze the list of projects on the CI server, and
compare them against the list we already have on the wiki, and extract
those that aren't present but have a known personal contact to make the
introduction with, that would be a great start for a separate mailing
On 07.05.2014 15:00, Mani Sarkar wrote:
> Would we be making use of the AdoptOpenJDK CloudeBees CI servers in
> anyway in the process?
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