Community-Help for the core-team in deadline-times

Martijn Verburg martijnverburg at
Mon Nov 30 15:44:59 UTC 2015

Hi Dalibor,

On 30 November 2015 at 13:56, dalibor topic <dalibor.topic at>

> On 27.11.2015 15:23, Martijn Verburg wrote:
>> Oh this would very much only be for people who wanted to have their
>> patch helped through by this group, much like Sebastian asking for help...
> You can't rely on an implicit assumption here - he didn't ask for his
> activities to be tracked. He just asked what possible reason could there be
> for not getting a reply to a mailing list post. I hope it's obvious that's
> not the same thing at all.

Yes of course - we would only have tracked if we offered that as a service
and they wanted it done, hope that was obvious as well.  But as there's a
massive resistance to this idea I'm going to drop any aspect of it.

> Asking for help and answering such queries is perfectly fine. Tracking
> people who ask for help is not. Neither is tracking people who offer (or
> don't offer) help.
> Perhaps it being a common topic of discussion at FOSDEM and other places
>> is a statistical aberration then...
> There is sometimes a marked difference between subjective perception and
> objective reality.
> Some people tend to rely on hearsay and anecdotal evidence, and
> overestimate the relevance of their own experiences and beliefs. There was
> a popular comedy show around that distinction:
> Perhaps a reminder to that resource could be sent to new contributors.
>> Perhaps a week after they sign the OCA (or some other milestone).  As an
>> example I send out a monthly email to the valhalla-dev mailing list on
>> behalf of that project lead as a reminder on how best to contribute.
>> Perhaps we could offer that service to other projects (they can of
>> course say no).
> I think a monthly reminder e-mail to this mailing list would be fine.

Only this mailing list? There's an assumption that the new (and possibly
existing) contributors are joining this list.  As not even the OpenJDK home
page mentions us I suspect we're not an automatically easy to find

> Unsolicited monthly or weekly reminder e-mails to individuals directly
> would be a pretty bad idea, though.

Individuals absolutely, only thinking of projects/groups, see valhalla-dev
as an example where I was asked by them to try a monthly reminder to see if
that helped their audience (it seems to have).


> cheers,
> dalibor topic
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