Stop using precompiled headers for Linux?

David Holmes david.holmes at oracle.com
Thu Nov 1 23:38:28 UTC 2018


It's not at all obvious to me that the way we use PCH is the right/best 
way to use it. We dump every header we think it would be good to 
precompile into precompiled.hpp and then only ask gcc to precompile it. 
That results in a ~250MB file that has to be read into and processed for 
every source file! That doesn't seem very efficient to me.

Cheers,
David

On 2/11/2018 3:18 AM, Erik Joelsson wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> My point here, which wasn't very clear, is that Mac and Linux seem to 
> lose just as much real compile time. The big difference in these tests 
> was rather the number of cpus in the machine (32 threads in the linux 
> box vs 8 on the mac). The total amount of work done was increased when 
> PCH was disabled, that's the user time. Here is my theory on why the 
> real (wall clock) time was not consistent with user time between these 
> experiments can be explained:
> 
> With pch the time line (simplified) looks like this:
> 
> 1. Single thread creating PCH
> 2. All cores compiling C++ files
> 
> When disabling pch it's just:
> 
> 1. All cores compiling C++ files
> 
> To gain speed with PCH, the time spent in 1 much be less than the time 
> saved in 2. The potential time saved in 2 goes down as the number of 
> cpus go up. I'm pretty sure that if I repeated the experiment on Linux 
> on a smaller box (typically one we use in CI), the results would look 
> similar to Macosx, and similarly, if I had access to a much bigger mac, 
> it would behave like the big Linux box. This is why I'm saying this 
> should be done for both or none of these platforms.
> 
> In addition to this, the experiment only built hotspot. If you we would 
> instead build the whole JDK, then the time wasted in 1 in the PCH case 
> would be negated to a large extent by other build targets running 
> concurrently, so for a full build, PCH is still providing value.
> 
> The question here is that if the value of PCH isn't very big, perhaps 
> it's not worth it if it's also creating as much grief as described here. 
> There is no doubt that there is value however. And given the examination 
> done by Magnus, it seems this value could be increased.
> 
> The main reason why we haven't disabled PCH in CI before this. We really 
> really want to get CI builds fast. We don't have a ton of over capacity 
> to just throw at it. PCH made builds faster, so we used them. My other 
> reason is consistency between builds. Supporting multiple different 
> modes of building creates the potential for inconsistencies. For that 
> reason I would definitely not support having PCH on by default, but 
> turned off in our CI/dev-submit. We pick one or the other as the 
> official build configuration, and we stick with the official build 
> configuration for all builds of any official capacity (which includes CI).
> 
> In the current CI setup, we have a bunch of tiers that execute one after 
> the other. The jdk-submit currently only runs tier1. In tier2 I've put 
> slowdebug builds with PCH disabled, just to help verify a common 
> developer configuration. These builds are not meant to be used for 
> testing or anything like that, they are just run for verification, which 
> is why this is ok. We could argue that it would make sense to move the 
> linux-x64-slowdebug without pch build to tier1 so that it's included in 
> dev-submit.
> 
> /Erik
> 
> On 2018-11-01 03:38, Magnus Ihse Bursie wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 2018-10-31 00:54, Erik Joelsson wrote:
>>> Below are the corresponding numbers from a Mac, (Mac Pro (Late 2013), 
>>> 3.7 GHz, Quad-Core Intel Xeon E5, 16 GB). To be clear, the -npch is 
>>> without precompiled headers. Here we see a slight degradation when 
>>> disabling on both user time and wall clock time. My guess is that the 
>>> user time increase is about the same, but because of a lower cpu 
>>> count, the extra load is not as easily covered.
>>>
>>> These tests were run with just building hotspot. This means that the 
>>> precompiled header is generated alone on one core while nothing else 
>>> is happening, which would explain this degradation in build speed. If 
>>> we were instead building the whole product, we would see a better 
>>> correlation between user and real time.
>>>
>>> Given the very small benefit here, it could make sense to disable 
>>> precompiled headers by default for Linux and Mac, just as we did with 
>>> ccache.
>>>
>>> I do know that the benefit is huge on Windows though, so we cannot 
>>> remove the feature completely. Any other comments?
>>
>> Well, if you show that it is a loss in time on macosx to disable 
>> precompiled headers, and no-one (as far as I've seen) has complained 
>> about PCH on mac, then why not keep them on as default there? That the 
>> gain is small is no argument to lose it. (I remember a time when you 
>> were hunting seconds in the build time ;-))
>>
>> On linux, the story seems different, though. People experience PCH as 
>> a problem, and there is a net loss of time, at least on selected 
>> testing machines. It makes sense to turn it off as default, then.
>>
>> /Magnus
>>
>>>
>>> /Erik
>>>
>>> macosx-x64
>>> real     4m13.658s
>>> user     27m17.595s
>>> sys     2m11.306s
>>>
>>> macosx-x64-npch
>>> real     4m27.823s
>>> user     30m0.434s
>>> sys     2m18.669s
>>>
>>> macosx-x64-debug
>>> real     5m21.032s
>>> user     35m57.347s
>>> sys     2m20.588s
>>>
>>> macosx-x64-debug-npch
>>> real     5m33.728s
>>> user     38m10.311s
>>> sys     2m27.587s
>>>
>>> macosx-x64-slowdebug
>>> real     3m54.439s
>>> user     25m32.197s
>>> sys     2m8.750s
>>>
>>> macosx-x64-slowdebug-npch
>>> real     4m11.987s
>>> user     27m59.857s
>>> sys     2m18.093s
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2018-10-30 14:00, Erik Joelsson wrote:
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> On 2018-10-30 13:17, Aleksey Shipilev wrote:
>>>>> On 10/30/2018 06:26 PM, Ioi Lam wrote:
>>>>>> Is there any advantage of using precompiled headers on Linux?
>>>>> I have measured it recently on shenandoah repositories, and 
>>>>> fastdebug/release build times have not
>>>>> improved with or without PCH. Actually, it gets worse when you 
>>>>> touch a single header that is in PCH
>>>>> list, and you end up recompiling the entire Hotspot. I would be in 
>>>>> favor of disabling it by default.
>>>> I just did a measurement on my local workstation (2x8 cores x2 ht 
>>>> Ubuntu 18.04 using Oracle devkit GCC 7.3.0). I ran "time make 
>>>> hotspot" with clean build directories.
>>>>
>>>> linux-x64:
>>>> real    4m6.657s
>>>> user    61m23.090s
>>>> sys    6m24.477s
>>>>
>>>> linux-x64-npch
>>>> real    3m41.130s
>>>> user    66m11.824s
>>>> sys    4m19.224s
>>>>
>>>> linux-x64-debug
>>>> real    4m47.117s
>>>> user    75m53.740s
>>>> sys    8m21.408s
>>>>
>>>> linux-x64-debug-npch
>>>> real    4m42.877s
>>>> user    84m30.764s
>>>> sys    4m54.666s
>>>>
>>>> linux-x64-slowdebug
>>>> real    3m54.564s
>>>> user    44m2.828s
>>>> sys    6m22.785s
>>>>
>>>> linux-x64-slowdebug-npch
>>>> real    3m23.092s
>>>> user    55m3.142s
>>>> sys    4m10.172s
>>>>
>>>> These numbers support your claim. Wall clock time is actually 
>>>> increased with PCH enabled, but total user time is decreased. Does 
>>>> not seem worth it to me.
>>>>>> It's on by default and we keep having
>>>>>> breakage where someone would forget to add #include. The latest 
>>>>>> instance is JDK-8213148.
>>>>> Yes, we catch most of these breakages in CIs. Which tells me adding 
>>>>> it to jdk-submit would cover
>>>>> most of the breakage during pre-integration testing.
>>>> jdk-submit is currently running what we call "tier1". We do have 
>>>> builds of Linux slowdebug with precompiled headers disabled in 
>>>> tier2. We also build solaris-sparcv9 in tier1 which does not support 
>>>> precompiled headers at all, so to not be caught in jdk-submit you 
>>>> would have to be in Linux specific code. The example bug does not 
>>>> seem to be that. Mach5/jdk-submit was down over the weekend and 
>>>> yesterday so my suspicion is the offending code in this case was 
>>>> never tested.
>>>>
>>>> That said, given that we get practically no benefit from PCH on 
>>>> Linux/GCC, we should probably just turn it off by default for Linux 
>>>> and/or GCC. I think we need to investigate Macos as well here.
>>>>
>>>> /Erik
>>>>> -Aleksey
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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