[concurrency-interest] RFR: 8065804: JEP 171: Clarifications/corrections for fence intrinsics
boehm at acm.org
Tue Dec 2 01:54:49 UTC 2014
I think that requiring coherence for ordinary Java accesses would be a
performance problem. The pre-2005 Java memory model actually promised it,
but implementations ignored that requirement. That was one significant
motivation of the 2005 memory model overhaul.
The basic problem is that if you have
r1 = x.f;
r2 = y.f;
r3 = x.f;
the compiler can no longer perform common subexpression elimination on the
two loads from x.f unless it can prove that x and y do not alias, which is
probably rare. Loads kill available expressions. Clearly this can
significantly reduce the effectiveness of CSE and similar basic
optimizations. Enforcing coherence also turns out to be somewhat expensive
on Itanium, and rather expensive on some slightly older ARM processors.
Those arguments probably don't apply to sun.misc.unsafe. But no matter
what you do for sun.misc.unsafe, something will be inconsistent.
(The other problem of course is that we still don't really know how to
define memory_order_relaxed any better than we know how to define ordinary
Java memory references.)
On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 5:05 PM, Martin Buchholz <martinrb at google.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 1:51 PM, Hans Boehm <boehm at acm.org> wrote:
> > Needless to say, I would clearly also like to see a simple
> > But this does raise the interesting question of whether put/get and
> > store(..., memory_order_relaxed)/load(memory_order_relaxed) are intended
> > have similar semantics. I would guess not, in that the former don't
> > coherence; accesses to the same variable can be reordered as for normal
> > variable accesses, while the C++11/C11 variants do provide those
> > On most, but not all, architectures that's entirely a compiler issue; the
> > hardware claims to provide that guarantee.
> > This affects, for example, whether a variable that is only ever
> > by one thread can appear to another thread to decrease in value. Or if a
> > reference set to a non-null value exactly once can appear to change back
> > null after appearing non-null. In my opinion, it makes sense to always
> > provide coherence for atomics, since the overhead is small, and so are
> > odds of getting code relying on non-coherent racing accesses correct.
> > for ordinary variables whose accesses are not intended to race the
> > trade-offs are very different.
> It would be nice to pretend that ordinary java loads and stores map
> perfectly to C11 relaxed loads and stores. This maps well to the lack
> of undefined behavior for data races in Java. But this fails also
> with lack of atomicity of Java longs and doubles. I have no intuition
> as to whether always requiring per-variable sequential consistency
> would be a performance problem. Introducing an explicit relaxed
> memory order mode in Java when the distinction between ordinary access
> is smaller than in C/C++ 11 would be confusing.
> Despite all that, it would be clean, consistent and seemingly
> straightforward to simply add all of the C/C++ atomic loads, stores
> and fences to sun.misc.Unsafe (with the possible exception of consume,
> which is still under a cloud). If that works out for jdk-internal
> code, we can add them to a public API. Providing the full set will
> help with interoperability with C code running in another thread
> accessing a direct buffer.
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