Proposal: Add support for Process Groups to the JDK
thomas.stuefe at gmail.com
Mon Nov 26 15:05:45 UTC 2018
On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 4:03 PM Roger Riggs <Roger.Riggs at oracle.com> wrote:
> Hi Thomas,
> I'd be interested in hearing more about the use cases.
> There seem to be many cases where containers are doing the management
> of groups of processes.
> The function will need to have an equivalent on Windows.
> The expressed use case is taking advantage of Posix/Unix signal behavior.
> But there are oh so many issues with signals, its likely to be a big can
> of worms.
> You mention a desire for other Posix functions, please elaborate.
I think the most useful and sought-after use case would really be the
ability to kill a group of associated processes. That can be
implemented on both Windows and Posix platforms. It would come in very
handy in all kind of java test runners, or were java is used in a
process scheduling role.
Yes, you are right, containers are a typical way nowadays to manage
process groups. But as Goetz stated, the fact that they are used so
much shows there is demand for this kind of functionality.
Secondary features could be suspending a group of processes (as
implemented, see proposal), sending a group of processes to the
foreground of a given terminal, sending any kind of signal to a
process group... however all these can only be reliably implemented on
Posix platforms. I am never sure how much of a deal breaker that is,
considering that we already have functionality which works only on
some platforms, and throwing UnsupportedOperationException seems to be
the standard way not to be bound down by unsupportive platforms. But I
also am a fan of "Write Once Run Everywhere" so I am torn.
Could you elaborate on the can of signal-related worms?
One way to go with this would be to limit the feature set to the
kill-aspect, since that is a very limited thing that could be
implemented on Windows too.
> If there's a way to scope it reasonably then a JEP is the process to pursue.
I am willing to draft a JEP if there it has a reasonable chance of
getting approved, so lets hear opinions. I understand that the barrier
to get features included into the JDK is high, and that is as it
should be. My personal view on this is that this is useful enough for
Thanks & best Regards, Thomas
> Thanks, Roger
> On 11/12/2018 12:29 PM, Thomas Stüfe wrote:
> > Dear all,
> > may I please hear your thoughts about the following proposal?
> > We would like to add support for process groups to the JDK: the
> > ability to put child processes into new or pre-existing process
> > groups. We added this feature to our proprietary port some time ago
> > and has been very useful in cases where the VM acts in a process
> > scheduling role.
> > With process groups we mean of course standard Unix process groups.
> > There exists a similar concept on Windows, Job Objects, so at least a
> > subset of what we propose could be done in a platform independent way.
> > ----
> > Motivation:
> > Most importantly, the ability to safely terminate a group of processes.
> > The established way to do this is, since Java 9, to iterate over a
> > process tree, calling Process.children() or Process.descendants() on
> > the root Process, and killing them using Process.destroy().
> > In practice, that approach is not always a good fit. It leaves out any
> > orphaned processes; any deceased non-leaf process in the tree makes
> > its children unreachable. Worst case, if the root process dies, all
> > children are orphaned and cannot be reached. Another limitation is
> > that this only works for process trees - parent-child relationships -
> > but not for unrelated processes one might want to group together. It
> > also becomes a bit inefficient with many processes, requiring one JNI
> > call/system call per process to kill.
> > Process groups, OTOH, would allow us to group together any number of
> > unrelated processes. We can then send them bulk signals, eg
> > SIGTERM/SIGKILL with only one system call. And for that to work, the
> > parent relationships do not matter, so we also reach processes which
> > have been orphaned.
> > There are more things one could do with process groups besides killing
> > them: suspend/resume them together (SIGSTOP/CONT), or to send them to
> > the background of the controlling terminal.
> > In fact, one could write its own shell in Java :)
> > ----
> > I drew up a tiny patch to demonstrate how this could look. This is
> > just an example, to have something to play with and talk about:
> > http://cr.openjdk.java.net/~stuefe/webrevs/processgroup-support/webrev.01/webrev/index.html
> > and here is a small usage example:
> > https://github.com/tstuefe/ojdk-repros/blob/master/src/other/RuntimeExecSimpleTestWithProcessGroup.java
> > The suggested API changes are small:
> > - A new class ProcessGroup as the platform's notion of a process
> > group. In this patch, it offers four functions:
> > - destroy()/destroyForcibly() terminate or kill the whole process group
> > - suspend()/resume() puts them to sleep and wakes them up.
> > More functionality could be added if needed. This mostly depends on
> > how tightly we want to be bound by platform limitations on Windows,
> > where process groups cannot be translated 1:1 to Job Objects.
> > - ProcessBuilder has now two new attributes:
> > - createProcessGroup() is a boolean flag directing the builder to
> > let sub processes create their own process group, with themselves
> > being the leader.
> > - processGroup() is a reference to a ProcessGroup object; when not
> > null, subprocesses will join that process group.
> > - The Process class gets a new query method to retrieve a ProcessGroup
> > object linked to its process group id.
> > Using these building stones, a typical pattern could be:
> > <example>
> > ProcessBuilder processBuilder = new ProcessBuilder(cmd);
> > processBuilder.createProcessGroup(true); <-- next process is pg leader
> > Process leader = processBuilder.start();
> > ProcessGroup pgr = leader.processGroup(); <-- retrieve newly
> > created process group
> > processBuilder.processGroup(pgr); <-- next processes shall be
> > members of this process group too
> > processBuilder.start();
> > processBuilder.start();
> > ....
> > </example>
> > and then call operations on the ProcessGroup object.
> > ----
> > It is clear to me that this kind of change would require probably a
> > JEP, if it is desired at all. With this mail I just wanted to gauge
> > interest.
> > What do you think?
> > Thanks & Best Regards, Thomas
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