IRC logging of #openjdk
Andrew John Hughes
gnu_andrew at member.fsf.org
Thu Jul 31 14:35:30 UTC 2008
On 31/07/2008, Mark Wielaard <mark at klomp.org> wrote:
> Hi Brian,
> On Thu, 2008-07-31 at 01:18 +0200, Brian Matzon wrote:
> > I realize that some people do not like logs being published, which is
> > why I wanted to confirm this before publishing anything.
> > This is a personal project and hold no commercial interest. The logs
> > are exportable.
> I wouldn't mind logging when there are official meetings on irc.
Agreed, as long as this is clearly announced with the meeting and
terminates at the meeting's conclusion.
> far as I can tell the #openjdk irc room is just a social channel. More
> like a water cooler where hackers come and go and exchange random
> stories about daily life. Personally I would avoid the random chatter
> (that I really enjoy a lot) if I would know that the channel was
> systematically logged and publicly published
Same goes for me. We've been treating #openjdk in the same manner as
#classpath on FreeNode (sometimes I even miss the difference...).
This wasn't immediate but happened over time as people started working
on IcedTea. I for one would revert to #classpath for most use if
#openjdk was logged.
(yes, I know there are
> probably people who keep logs of the channel anyway, but at least I know
> they will not arbitrarily publish the publicly without asking for
> permission first).
FWIW, I do have my own private logs of the channels for my own use,
which have occasionally come in useful (this is rare, maybe 2-3 times
over 4 years, and it's usually for a useful URL). Most of the time I
forgot I'm logging. This doesn't mean I agree with a brute-force
log-everything approach and I'd never make such logs public without
permission of all involved.
> In general if people feel the chatter on #openjdk is so important that
> it should be shared more, then maybe we can ask people to summarize on
> the mailinglist. But as far as I know this already happens because
> decisions should be made publicly on the mailinglist.
If something is missed through conversation on IRC, this is a fault of
those involved. The conversation should be summarised on the mailing
list if useful and the end decision taken there. This has been our
general policy so far.
> I believe there is another channel, that is more formal
> #open-source-java we might make that the officially logged channel that
> people can move to whenever they want to discuss anything "official"
> that should be logged? But if it is so official then it should just be
> posted on the mailinglist imho.
We could have that channel as a formal logged meetings channel, though
I'd prefer it be called #free-java ;)
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