OpenJDK Bugzilla server rollout
Dalibor.Topic at Sun.COM
Wed Feb 11 22:04:29 UTC 2009
Andrew John Hughes wrote:
> Ok I only just noticed this and I don't know how binding they are but:
All websites I know that are hosted under java.net (not very many, I
admit) use the same terms of service, I think.
is a specific need for a sub-site to differ
I guess what makes the OpenJDK web site different from some other free
software collaboration web sites is that the
assuming the users will know where to
go looking for them. That's a good thing, in my opinion.
> So do O'Reilly now own all the
> patches posted to the lists? I don't see how any of use ever
> signified our compliance with these terms.
I don't see anything about actually transferring ownership of patches
I am not a lawyer and I'm really bad at playing one ...
Typically, web sites for collaboration around open source projects have
terms of service associated with them, that grant
the hosts of the site a broad license to contributions made to the
projects regardless of the medium those contributions come through.
at http://www.redhat.com/legal/legal_statement.html and they say
"Rights in Content
By displaying, publishing and making available for download and use by
others any content, messages, text, files, images, photos, video,
sounds, profiles, works of authorship, or any other materials
("Content") you give Red Hat a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide,
royalty-free, and non-exclusive license to reproduce, adapt, modify,
translate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute
any Content which you submit, post or display on or through the web
site. You agree that this license includes a right for Red Hat to make
such Content available to other companies, organizations or individuals
with whom Red Hat has relationships for the provision of services, and
to use such Content in connection with the provision of those services.
You understand that Red Hat may (a) transmit or distribute your Content
over various public networks and in various media; and (b) make such
changes to your Content as are necessary to conform and adapt that
Content to the technical requirements of connecting networks, devices,
services or media. You agree that this license shall permit Red Hat to
take these actions. You confirm and warrant to Red Hat that you have all
the rights, power and authority necessary to grant the above license."
Those terms seem to me, personally, to be quite similar to those of the
java.net web site, except that Red Hat hosts their web sites alone,
as far as I can tell, while java.net is hosted by Sun, O'Reilly and
Similar terms exist for the OpenSUSE, Launchpad, Sourceforge, java.net,
Google Code and many other similar sites. The Eclipse foundation, for
also points out their (pretty similar in those aspects Mark Wielaard
http://www.eclipse.org/mail/ . And so on.
grants of rights to hosts makes sense in general - it eliminates a whole
class of problems that otherwise
come up when reasonable people disagree what 'common sense' really
means, by substituting the deceptively subjective definition of common
sense for more explicit terms.
Of course, that also invites a whole other class of linguistic
(lawyerese vs. regular English) and 'IANAL, but ...' problems, but those
kinds of misunderstandings are easier to fix then 'common sense' ones,
as my favorite xkcd comic at http://xkcd.com/386/ nicely explains.
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