Are JBS' policies flexible enough to welcome the JavaFX community?
ryan at jaeb.ca
Fri Apr 17 17:20:44 UTC 2015
Who moderates everything right now? It doesn't sound like there's anything
preventing me from submitting a poor quality bug report at bugs.java.com.
Does that go directly into bugs.openjdk.java.net? How is the free-for-all
submission system at bugs.java.com any different than a self signup JIRA?
Somebody has to moderate the initial bugs regardless of where they come
from, right? Is it an increase in comment spam that's the main concern?
If the concern is +1s and discussion style comments the question I'll ask
is, "what difference does it make?" If contributors are discussing a bug
or feature request, everyone participating needs to read all of the
discussion, regardless of whether or not it happens on the bug tracker or
the mailing list.
If you keep JBS invite only and use the mailing lists as a source for
nominating people to invite, I don't think you're taking a huge risk in
terms of overloading JBS authors with extra comment spam. You're only
allowing users that have already proven they're willing to adhere to the
process and participate in an appropriate manner.
Plus, most (all?) JBS authors are already going to subscribe to the lists
and anyone that would be promoted via a list is already willing (and able)
to post there. If I post to a list with "RE: Bug XXXXX" and the message
content is "+1" it still wastes everyone's time. No one involved in that
bug gets to skip that message because the venue was moved from JBS to a
I'm not saying that type of behavior should be tolerated, just that people
who don't care about participating appropriately don't care what the venue
If you invite someone to the bug tracker, there's also the added benefit of
having them sign the OCA isn't there?
On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 1:35 AM, Andrew Haley <aph at redhat.com> wrote:
> To be honest, the current JBS policies are not a great fit with
> OpenJDK either, for the same reasons you describe. I would love to be
> able to grant real open access to bugs.openjdk.java.net. But you have
> to sympathize with Oracle, who don't have an army of people to sort
> out all the junk that would accumulate. So, for that to happen we'd
> need to find a way for the community to solve that problem.
> Also, there are legal issues to do with intellectual property, and we
> do need to be sure that OpenJDK has the right to use all material
> people include in bug reports.
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