CFV: New Project: Skara

Markus Gronlund markus.gronlund at
Thu Aug 30 10:52:47 UTC 2018

Vote: yes


-----Original Message-----
From: joe darcy 
Sent: den 29 augusti 2018 19:58
To: announce at
Subject: CFV: New Project: Skara

I hereby propose the creation of the Skara Project with Joe Darcy as the Lead and the Build Group as the sponsoring Group.

The source code management (SCM) system of a software project is a fundamental piece of its infrastructure and workflows. Starting in February 2008, the source code of different JDK releases and supporting projects has been hosted in Mercurial repositories under Code reviews of JDK changes are typically conducted as discussions in mailing lists over small patches sent to one or more lists or over webrevs hosted on Since 2008, many open source projects have successfully adopted more efficient SCM and review tooling, in some cases provided by third parties.

In order to help OpenJDK contributors be more productive, both seasoned committers and relative newcomers, the Skara project proposes to investigate alternative SCM and code review options for the JDK source code, including options based upon Git rather than Mercurial, and including options hosted by third parties.

The Skara project intends to build prototypes of hosting the JDK 12 sources under different providers.

The evaluation criteria to consider include but are not limited to:

     * Performance: time for clone operations from master repos, time of local operations, etc.

     * Space efficiency

     * Usability in different geographies

     * Support for common development environments such as Linux, Mac, and Windows

     * Able to easily host the entire history of the JDK and the projected growth of its history over the next decade

     * Support for general JDK code review practices

     * Programmatic APIs to enable process assistance and automation of review and processes

If one or more prototypes indicate a different SCM arrangement offers substantial improvements over the current situation, the Skara project will shepherd a JEP to change the SCM for the JDK.

Skara previously had a call for discussion
and was a topic at the OpenJDK Committers’ Workshop ( 
A range of passionate opinions were expressed regarding the choice of SCM for the JDK, but the prototype imports of the JDK sources to hosting

have demonstrated much shorter clone times, on the order of one to three minutes as compared to fifteen minutes to over a half hour from

The envisioned future iterations of prototypes could explore how to adapt JDK development practices to better conform to conventions on different SCMs. For example, some syntax changes in JDK commit messages would work more naturally with git tooling. Such prototypes would be published and made available for comment.

Joe is  a reviewer in the JDK project, the lead of the CSR (Compatibility & Specification Review) group (, previous lead of Project Coin (, initial moderator and inaugural release manager for OpenJDK 6, and was the lead for JEP 296: 
Consolidate the JDK Forest into a Single Repository (

Initial reviewers are Tim Bell (tbell), Joe Darcy (darcy), Erik Duveblad (ehelin), Erik Joelsson (erikj), Mark Reinhold (mr), Tony Squier (squierts), Tiep Vo (tiep), and Robin Westberg (rwestberg).

Votes are due by September 12, 11 am Pacific Time.

Only current OpenJDK Members [1] are eligible to vote on this motion. Votes must be cast in the open on the discuss list. Replying to this message is sufficient if your mail program honors the Reply-To header.

For Lazy Consensus voting instructions, see [2].

-Joe Darcy


More information about the discuss mailing list