Better default for ParallelGCThreads and ConcGCThreads by using number of physical cores and CPU mask.

Jon Masamitsu jon.masamitsu at oracle.com
Mon Nov 25 16:39:25 UTC 2013


On 11/24/13 11:48 PM, Bengt Rutisson wrote:
> On 11/22/13 6:48 PM, Jon Masamitsu wrote:
>>
>> On 11/22/2013 4:33 AM, Bengt Rutisson wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>     Do we need the flag AdjustGCThreadsToCores? It seems like this
>>>>     is a good change and it is always nice to reduce the number of
>>>>     flags we have. If you feel unsure about the change it may be
>>>>     good to be able to disable it, but in general I think it would
>>>>     be better to decide that this is the default behavior and go
>>>>     with it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have no strong opinion. If you guys can confirm the improvements 
>>>> and feel like you don't need the flag, that would be ideal.
>>>
>>> Yes, this is an interesting dilemma. Personally I don't think I have 
>>> the cycles right now to do any performance testing of this fix. But 
>>> I assume that you don't have access to enough machines and 
>>> benchmarks to test this properly on all supported platforms. I'll 
>>> bring this up internally to see if there is any process for handling 
>>> this type of situation...
>>>
>>> Since your change is for Linux only and you have done the 
>>> measurements there, I'm fine with your results. I would prefer 
>>> skipping the AdjustGCThreadsToCores flag based on the data you 
>>> provided. Especially since we can still set ParallelGCThreads 
>>> explicitly on the command line if we need to work around a 
>>> regression somewhere.
>>
>> I fully expect to need the AdjustGCThreadsToCores flag on Sparc so I 
>> would prefer
>> it be left in.
>
> Can you explain why this will be particularly needed on Sparc? I 
> assume you mean Linux/Sparc since the Solaris implementation is not 
> changed by this patch. If we think this is not a good change for 
> Sparc, then maybe we should not do it there...

I say that for two reasons.

In the past I've seen performance results that show that some application
running on solaris benefit from using all the hardware threads there are
for GC.  Incrementally adding 1 more GC worker always decreases GC
pauses.  That is definitely not true for all applications.

Niagara already is a special case (uses the 5/16's rule instead of the 5/8's
rule) so I expect that it will be different.
>
>> Make it an experimental flag to make it easier to remove later
>> 1405experimental(bool, AdjustGCThreadsToCores, true,                               \
>> 1406           "Create GC worker threads with respect to the number of physical "\
>> 1407           "cores available from the CPU mask. Ignores hardware threads")    \
>> 1408
>>
>
> Yes, this is a bit better, but I still don't fully understand why we 
> want to keep the old behavior under a flag. More comments on that below.
>
>> We do have the ParallelGCThreads flag to workaround regressions but 
>> users don't
>> know what value is currently set by the ergonomics so won't know what 
>> value
>> to use for ParallelGCThreads to workaround a regression.
>
> It is not too hard to come up with the "old" default value for 
> ParallelGCThreads. We know what the logic was so if just get processor 
> information from the machine we can figure it out and in worst case we 
> can ask a customer to run with an older version of the JDK and do 
> "PrintFlagsFinal | grep ParallelGCThreads".

True but if there is a general category of workloads where the old 
default is better,
there will be many, many calls from users who see an increase in GC 
pauses and
have not idea why.
>
> I'm not going to insist that we remove the AdjustGCThreadsToCores 
> flag. We can keep it if you feel it is important. Personally I just 
> think the cost of having it is higher than the benefit. We have extra 
> code to support, more complex logic to take into account when 
> debugging and we most likely will not test with this flag enabled so 
> bugs may creep in without us noticing.

We don't have the data yet to know if we need AdjustGCThreadsToCores
on other platforms.  Actually, I don't know if we have the data to say that
we don't need the flag on linux.  It may be workload dependent.
It will make it easier to do the comparisons if we have a flag.
If you think we should do the implementation on the other
platforms and the performance testing before first integration, that's a
reasonable way  to do it.

Jon
>
> Bengt
>
>>
>> Jon
>

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