Suggestion: allow accessible reflection on protected methods of exported types.

Alessio Stalla alessiostalla at
Mon Jan 9 09:53:50 UTC 2017

Jochen, what you say resonates with me a lot too. And though I don't want
to hijack the thread to a pointless Java-is-dying flame, I have to say one
Java won because of its (imperfect, but surprisingly usable and versatile)
balance between static and dynamic. And lots of marketing, of course ;)
Jigsaw is significantly altering that balance, and that has not been
explicitly discussed. Everyone talks about security and encapsulation but
nobody talks about loss of dynamicity - because, hey, Java is static, the
more static the better, dynamic is bad, monkey patching is for monkey
coders, boo! But, folks, reality check: there IS a significant slice of the
community which thrives on the more dynamic sides of the JVM, and it is
being completely ignored. You have the right to ignore it, but please say
so explicitly: "we prefer to make the JVM a more static place and we do not
care if we lose a part of the ecosystem. Please go doing your nasty dynamic
stuff elsewhere."


On 3 January 2017 at 20:54, Alan Bateman <Alan.Bateman at> wrote:

> On 03/01/2017 18:13, Jochen Theodorou wrote:
>> You sound as if there are equal good alternative solutions to all these
>> cases. For example changing the environment for a subprocess after its
>> creation.... No, there is no clean solution. The only solution that does
>> not require an opens is to do it by custom native code.
> Is this the issue with the rubygrapefruit library that there was a brief
> discussion here about a few months ago, I think with Cedric Champeau? I was
> hoping that this would be brought to core-libs-dev for discussion and
> explore whether it would make sense for Process/ProcessBuilder to support.
> -Alan

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