JavaFX for the Enterprise - Working Group

Richard Bair richard.bair at
Wed Oct 17 07:23:00 PDT 2012

We are already doing everything on your list (which was pretty void of specifics). Please list specific work projects, linked to specific JIRA issues, and vote for them and for goodness sake contribute!

On Oct 17, 2012, at 12:49 AM, Daniel Zwolenski <zonski at> wrote:

> So Oracle as an organization doesn't think JavaFX can be a player in the
> web/enterprise space and is backing HTML5. I don't agree, JavaFX has the *
> potential* to be better. But it's a long way behind and gotten off to a
> rocky start; there's a hell of a lot of work to be done and the current
> rate, strategy and direction are not going to be nearly enough.
> Oracle is a big corporation with many different divisions. The left arm
> doesn't know what the right is doing. So let's put aside 'oracle' for a
> moment. I want to know: what does the JavaFX team think? Do you want to go
> up against HTML5 for the client space, or just settle for a spot on the
> fringe?
> Below is what I propose.
> This proposal needs the full backing of the JavaFX team and management.
> Specifically it needs:
>   1. Belief that JavaFX can and should be the *number one* client
>   development platform for enterprise.
>   2. Recognition that the current strategy will not make that happen.
>   3. Resources (aka people) allocated to the working group outlined below.
>   These people must have enough influence in the JFX platform to legitimately
>   be able to influence the direction as needed.
>   4. Commitment to supporting this working group fully and implementing
>   the strategies and recommendations that come out of it as a high priority
>   5. A sense of urgency, and a proactive pursuit of achieving these goals
>   with a well defined timeline (i.e. "resources will be allocated by November
>   2012" not "we're working on it").
> In my opinion, all of these must be met 100%. Otherwise there is no point
> starting at all and better to let it go and leave the enterprise space to
> other players like HTML5 as 'Oracle' is suggesting. This is your call.
> I believe JavaFX can be the best platform for client-side enterprise
> application development, capitalising-on, and adding-to Java's dominance in
> server side enterprise development.
> Do you?
> *Proposal to form a working group for JavaFX in the enterprise*
> Mission:
>   - to position JavaFX as *the* dominant client-side development platform
>   for enterprise/business applications
> Members:
>   - a combination of paid Oracle JavaFX team members, and community
>   participants. The Oracle members must have the ability to access senior
>   JavaFX management and technical decision makers, and as such influence the
>   road map and direction of the JavaFX platform. Community members will be
>   those with a background and experience in the enterprise space and who are
>   committed to making JavaFX the platform of choice in this space.
> Responsibilities:
>   - Continuously identify improvements to the JavaFX platform that are
>   needed to ensure adoption by enterprise; drive the inclusion of these into
>   the JavaFX platform.
>   - Continuously identify and monitor trends and developments within the
>   enterprise space and competitor platforms (e.g. HTML5, .NET, etc) and
>   ensure the JavaFX roadmap provides confidence to enterprise of JavaFX's
>   long term viability for their needs.
>   - Provide best practices, community/forum support, documentation,
>   examples, tool add-ons, frameworks and other aids for integrating JavaFX
>   into popular enterprise technology stacks
>   - Provide advocacy, publicity and drive general engagement and outreach
>   programs for the adoption of JavaFX in the enterprise.
> Objectives:
> Objectives will be determined by the working group once formed, however
> initial objectives will likely include the following:
>   - Review the current deployment/distribution options for JavaFX and
>   determine ways to improve this to make it competitive with other popular
>   enterprise client platforms (e.g. HTML+JavaScript) for primary enterprise
>   OS' and platforms
>   - Identify the most popular enterprise build and development tools and
>   determine a strategy for making JavaFX integrate into these
>   - Review popular trends and toolkits within competitive platforms and
>   define the ideal frameworks and add-on tools needed by an enterprise client
>   (e.g. form validation). Use this list of high-level requirements to
>   determine the low-level JavaFX enhancements needed (e.g. allow field
>   markers so that a 3rd party validation framework could leverage these).
>   - Create a demonstration enterprise application (along the lines of
>   PetClinic) demonstrating best practice for integrating JavaFX in a full,
>   end-to-end JEE stack.
> Longer term objectives may include:
>   - Develop (or foster community development of) the high-level frameworks
>   that have been identified as necessary for JavaFX in the enterprise. These
>   will likely be developed as third-party modules external to the JavaFX core
>   framework (i.e. built on top of the features provided by the core JavaFX
>   team).
>   - Provide integration with existing or new Rapid Application Development
>   (RAD) tools popular within the enterprise Java space (e.g. ROO, etc).

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