Performance-limiting characteristics of Nodes
felix.bembrick at gmail.com
Mon Dec 30 02:01:40 PST 2013
Yes Tom, I also came to the conclusion that most of the nodes in those
(awesome) gauges are largely static and would rarely, if ever, become
"dirty" so the inference that it's excessive work on the scenegraph would
seem unlikely as the cause of the performance degradation.
It does look to me that there is some inherent impact on performance
associated simply with having more nodes. I hope Richard or someone with
intimate knowledge of the innards of JavaFX rendering could chime in here...
On 30 December 2013 20:50, Tom Eugelink <tbee at tbee.org> wrote:
> I also watched Gerrits presentation, and he put a lot of emphasis on the
> difference between drawing using nodes and drawing using CSS. One of the
> examples was one of his famous gauges, where he used a number of gradients
> to draw the background. His initial approach was one-node-per-gradient, so
> a node for the background, one for the upper shadow, one for the lower,
> etc. This resulted in a lot of nodes and he says the Pi has a maximum of
> about 120 nodes. Now, these background nodes (and all others that make up
> the dial) are static nodes, they do not easily go dirty. So I'm not sure
> that that is the problem Gerrit experienced.
> That said, the other approach where he tries to do as much in one node as
> possible, using CSS, insets and multiple backgrounds/fills seems like a
> much clear implementation. So there are other advantages as well. But never
> the less it would be interesting to see what the performance issue really
> is, given your statement.
> On 2013-12-30 1:50, Jasper Potts wrote:
>> My experience was it is not the number of Nodes. It's the number of Nodes
>> that are changed/dirty in a single frame. So having a scene with 500 nodes
>> may take a couple of seconds to render first time but then you can animate
>> a couple of those nodes at 60fps if you done make too big a area dirty.
>> Performance issues are one of two things too much SceneGraph work or too
>> much Graphics card work. You can use pulse logger to determine which issue
>> you are having.
>> On Dec 29, 2013, at 3:15 PM, Felix Bembrick <felix.bembrick at gmail.com>
>>> I just watched the excellent presentation by Gerrit Grunwald "Use the
>>> Luke" on Parleys and in it he mentions that one of the key ways to
>>> performance is to limit the number of nodes in the scenegraph. He also
>>> mentions that on such devices as the Raspberry Pi the maximum number of
>>> nodes viable before performance degrades significantly is very, very
>>> limited. Further, he then goes on to demonstrate that the equivalent
>>> visual appearance can be achieved by other means such as CSS, Canvas etc.
>>> where the number of nodes is much less.
>>> The implication here is that there is a performance-limiting effect of
>>> Nodes. If the device's GPU is capable of rendering certain graphics
>>> primitives, effects, transitions etc. and JavaFX is capable of "making
>>> happen" by one way or another, I am curious as to why the simple presence
>>> of Nodes limits performance so significantly.
>>> The obvious conclusion is that Nodes use memory and perhaps the
>>> overhead is the cause but given that we are largely talking about GPU
>>> processing I find it hard to believe that it's as simple as this.
>>> So what is it about the nature of Nodes that causes them to have such a
>>> limiting effect on performance?
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