What Scene Builder needs YESTERDAY!

ngalarneau at ABINITIO.COM ngalarneau at ABINITIO.COM
Fri Nov 14 18:48:13 UTC 2014

I think there is an opportunity for JavaFX to replace enterprise Flex 
apps. How big that opportunity is, I couldn't say.

It would be great if, when the 64-bit ARM port[1] is finished, Oracle 
offered a "64-bit ARM with JavaFX on iOS & Android" offering.


1 - https://blogs.oracle.com/henrik/entry/oracle_jdk_on_64_bit

From:   Jeff Martin <jeff at reportmill.com>
To:     Felix Bembrick <felix.bembrick at gmail.com>, 
Cc:     "openjfx-dev at openjdk.java.net List" <openjfx-dev at openjdk.java.net>
Date:   11/14/2014 09:25 AM
Subject:        Re: What Scene Builder needs YESTERDAY!
Sent by:        "openjfx-dev" <openjfx-dev-bounces at openjdk.java.net>

I think this was true back when Java was a contender for browser graphics. 
It’s clear now that Java in the browser, and even Flash, are going away. 
Now I think the best opportunity for JavaFX is for rich, cross-platform, 
non-browser apps - which really means desktop enterprise apps. Very 
limiting - until JavaFX has a mobile story. For this I think JavaFX needs 
an application like Microsoft Access or Oracle ADF as opposed to a 
FlashDesigner app (though that wouldn’t hurt).

Having a top-teir mobile story is really the only hope to have JavaFX go 
mainstream. It would be nice if Oracle would buy RoboVM. :-)


On Nov 13, 2014, at 9:34 PM, Felix Bembrick <felix.bembrick at gmail.com> 

> Java applets were the first "programs" to run inside a web browser and 
> a (little) while they were flavour of the month.
> But then along came Flash which had several advantages such as faster 
> times, consistent loads and antialiased fonts/graphics and soon 
> surpassed applets.
> But the MAIN reason why Flash was initially so successful and went on 
> years and years of domination is that the Flash tools had an
> Animation/Timeline Editor pretty much from the beginning.  This enabled
> even a novice to drag images around and draw the path they wanted them 
> move along, add all sorts of bouncing effects and sounds and the result 
> the birth of the online greeting card company.
> But Flash soon went on to be so much more.  As the Adobe tools improved, 
> did the SWFs and soon entire websites were written in Flash.
> Meanwhile, applet programmers had absolutely nothing remotely similar 
> had to try (and I stress try) to tediously hand code any animations and
> transitions and effects and I don't think it ever worked.
> Fast forward 15-20 years and now we have JavaFX which doesn't need to 
> in the browser, has even more features than Flash, uses hardware
> acceleration for superior performance, has a wide range of built-in
> animations, transitions and effects but STILL we have to hand code any
> animation/transitions.
> This is INCREDIBLY inefficient and unless Scene Builder incorporates a
> powerful, sophisticated animation/transition and effect editor VERY, 
> SOON I fear that the advanced graphics features are never going to be 
> to their full potential (much to the detriment of JavaFX itself).
> Does anyone know if one is in the pipeline?  I see this as one of the 
> vital features for the JavaFX ecosystem to achieve more penetration and,
> eventually, survive.
> Felix

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