What Scene Builder needs YESTERDAY!

Tom Eugelink tbee at tbee.org
Mon Nov 24 10:02:52 UTC 2014

I do not think that JavaFX is aiming at replacing flash, HTML and javascript are doing a great job there, hence animations are not equally important as they were for flash.


On 24-11-2014 10:46, Felix Bembrick wrote:
> I am surprised more people have not expressed an opinion on this.  To me,
> it seems absolutely *vital* to the long term (or any term) success of
> JavaFX.
> Haven't any of you ever programmed in Flash?  Can you imagine trying to
> create any of those complex (or even the simple) animations and
> visualisations *without* a visual editor and by doing it code alone?  It
> wouldn't have been practical (read possible) and similarly, and with JavaFX
> having even richer features, to do this "by hand".
> To me, this is the reason why we haven't seen any great
> animations/visualisations/applications using JavaFX and we probably never
> will until a visual animation editor is available.  Specifying and
> controlling the motion and appearance of numerous complex objects and their
> transitions relying exclusively on code would not be possible for even the
> "gunnest" JFX coder...
> On 18 November 2014 at 02:48, Richard Bair <richard.bair at oracle.com> wrote:
>> I’m afraid at this time there are no plans for adding an
>> animation/transition effect editor to Scene Builder, certainly not in the
>> short-term.
>> Thanks
>> Richard
>>> On Nov 13, 2014, at 7:34 PM, Felix Bembrick <felix.bembrick at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> Java applets were the first "programs" to run inside a web browser and
>> for
>>> a (little) while they were flavour of the month.
>>> But then along came Flash which had several advantages such as faster
>> load
>>> times, consistent loads and antialiased fonts/graphics and soon
>> completely
>>> surpassed applets.
>>> But the MAIN reason why Flash was initially so successful and went on for
>>> years and years of domination is that the Flash tools had an
>>> Animation/Timeline Editor pretty much from the beginning.  This enabled
>>> even a novice to drag images around and draw the path they wanted them to
>>> move along, add all sorts of bouncing effects and sounds and the result
>> was
>>> the birth of the online greeting card company.
>>> But Flash soon went on to be so much more.  As the Adobe tools improved,
>> so
>>> did the SWFs and soon entire websites were written in Flash.
>>> Meanwhile, applet programmers had absolutely nothing remotely similar and
>>> had to try (and I stress try) to tediously hand code any animations and
>>> transitions and effects and I don't think it ever worked.
>>> Fast forward 15-20 years and now we have JavaFX which doesn't need to run
>>> in the browser, has even more features than Flash, uses hardware
>>> acceleration for superior performance, has a wide range of built-in
>>> animations, transitions and effects but STILL we have to hand code any
>>> animation/transitions.
>>> This is INCREDIBLY inefficient and unless Scene Builder incorporates a
>>> powerful, sophisticated animation/transition and effect editor VERY, VERY
>>> SOON I fear that the advanced graphics features are never going to be
>> used
>>> to their full potential (much to the detriment of JavaFX itself).
>>> Does anyone know if one is in the pipeline?  I see this as one of the
>> most
>>> vital features for the JavaFX ecosystem to achieve more penetration and,
>>> eventually, survive.
>>> Felix

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