JavaFX JIRA issues moving to JBS
kevin.rushforth at oracle.com
Thu Apr 16 12:47:33 UTC 2015
I was talking to Phil about a related point yesterday. One thing we (the
JavaFX developers at Oracle) will need to do is to take a more active
approach in helping bugs filed at bugs.java.com make their way from the
internal "Incidents" project into the JDK project as an active bug. This
doesn't address the concerns over not being able to comment on bugs, but
will I hope provide a somewhat better path for app developers to file
bugs (at least until the bugs.java.com portal is improved).
Mario Torre wrote:
> As a long time OpenJDK contributor I agree the fact of needing to be
> an Author to file bug reports is an inconvenience.
> This is something that is discussed basically at every public meeting
> where the Governing Board is present (particularly at Fosdem,
> sometimes at Java One as well).
> For OpenJDK Author is somewhat ok, because the upstream JIRA is mainly
> used by people directly working on the code, and since less than
> Author (including casual users) can usually file the bug to one of the
> downstream OpenJDKs bug databases, like Red Hat/Fedora/Debian
> bugzilla, or IcedTea bugzilla, etc... People working on those projects
> usually carry on the task to file (and often fix themselves) the bug
> upstream, so the kind of filtering that is requested usually is
> respected, while still have *some* open door for the general
> Less than ideal, but it kind of works...
> I realise for OpenJFX this would be more problematic, since there's
> not yet a wide downstream community, so the (perhaps limited) benefit
> of those external repositories is completely missing in this case.
> On the other end, the rules for Author are clear, you need to sign the
> OCA (this is the main pain point, but I believe most of the
> contributors to OpenJFX already have this done anyway, isn't that a
> requirement to use the current JIRA as well?).
> Once you're done so, it's up to the projects to decide if a
> Contributor can become an Author or not, people that usually
> contribute code already (even if they can't push directly) will likely
> automagically have the same powers as before.
> Right now, to even see an OpenJFX bug I need to log in, so I need an
> account. WIth OpenJDK the bugs are accessible so you don't even need
> an account to track an issue, here's an example, where I just picked
> the first random bug I've seen:
> I can see that without logging in, something I can't do with the
> current bug database, so I don't think the situation is worse really,
> it gives more visibility.
> Anyway, I encourage you, if you want a better level of access, to
> start working with us to find a solution, the right forums is the
> "discuss" alias that Dalibor mentioned for a start, and definitely the
> Adoption Group can help out in smoothing the transition.
> 2015-04-16 9:33 GMT+02:00 Robert Krüger <krueger at lesspain.de>:
>> On Thursday, April 16, 2015, Ryan Jaeb <ryan at jaeb.ca> wrote:
>>> My frustration isn't aimed at anyone on the list, so I hope it didn't seem
>>> like that.
>>> I don't usually post to the list, but I follow it enough to know that, once
>>> we see an announcement like the one Kevin delivered, the decision has been
>>> made and there's no going back. If I've misinterpreted, I apologize.
>>> Please correct me.
>>> The thing that's particularly frustrating with this incident is that it's
>>> going to have a predictable, negative impact on people like me who feel
>>> like submitting bug reports is the most effect contribution we can make to
>>> the JavaFX community. Being told that we should engage the JBS folks after
>>> the decision has been made isn't acceptable. Whoever made the decision to
>>> merge with JBS should already have engaged the JBS folks and advocated for
>>> changes on behalf of the JavaFX community before the decision was
>>> finalized. The message Kevin delivered should have included the results of
>>> that advocacy.
>>> Regardless, what's done is done. If we need to have someone engage the JBS
>>> people to ask for policy changes, I think we'd do well to nominate whoever
>>> made the original decision. If they have enough influence to get a project
>>> merged into the JBS, they're effort will be far more effective than that of
>>> a random person from the community.
>>> We've been told that Oracle wants to see more participation from the JavaFX
>>> community. This is an excellent opportunity for someone with a decision
>>> making role at Oracle to take action and demonstrate to the community that
>>> they're willing to help facilitate some of that participation.
>> Amen to every single aspect you touch. I believe that summarizes pretty
>> well how many of us die-hard java desktop/client-side application/product
>> developers feel.
>> @Dalibor: An after-the-fact "Not our responsibility, ask over there" is not
>> exactly how you get your community to feel involved. But Ryan has also
>> already covered that very well above.
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