8u40 is released / SB

Tomas Mikula tomas.mikula at gmail.com
Thu Mar 5 16:11:52 UTC 2015

And then there are GroovyFX and ScalaFX, which embed the declarative
UI language in the host language. To me, FXML seems to be just
compensation for the lack of expressiveness in Java.


On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 9:58 AM, Doug Schaefer <dschaefer at qnx.com> wrote:
> GUI builders are great for prototyping or helping you learn. But when the
> application gets complex I keep hearing developers throw them out. They
> start getting in the way.
> I think if you have a good API and a good declarative UI language, think
> QML not FXML, then you may find you don¹t really need a GUI builder. How
> may people are using GUI builders to create Web app UI¹s? Now web UIs are
> simpler, but maybe that¹s the point.
> And why not leave GUI builders to the tools vendors. They¹re hard to make
> and get right, especially of you don¹t have a revenue model to support the
> army of developers you need.
> Doug.
> Hmm, I wonder what React Native would look like with JavaFX and NashornŠ
> On 2015-03-05, 7:20 AM, "Scott Palmer" <swpalmer at gmail.com> wrote:
>>I would never consider for a second coding FXML "directly".  I have only
>>tweaked it by hand occasionally after creating it with SceneBuilder. SB
>>is an important selling point for JavaFX and should be included in the
>>JDK, it shouldn't even be a separate download.
>>> On Mar 5, 2015, at 3:19 AM, Tom Eugelink <tbee at tbee.org> wrote:
>>> My two cents would be that maintaining a UI builder is an awful lot of
>>>work, while I expect that a lot of programmers won't be using SB because
>>>it always has limitations. Either with complex layouts or custom
>>>controls. "Real" programmers probably use FXML directly or even just
>>>code it in Java. So the "return on investment" probably is fairly low
>>>and thus the resources can be much better spent on the core. IMHO.
>>>> On 5-3-2015 02:34, Mike Hearn wrote:
>>>> I agree that SB is probably something that can be well maintained by
>>>> community at this point, especially with commercial backing from Gluon

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